What ‘skeptics’ really believe about vaccines, medicine, consciousness and the universe
Mike Adams
Natural News
January 24, 2010
I know I’m late to this article, unfortunately I’m a couple years behind on Skeptics Guide to the Universe, and I’m just now getting to sink my teeth into this one. Lets dig in.
“skeptics” claim to be the sole protectors of intellectual truth. Everyone who disagrees with them is just a quack, they insist.
Lie, we make no such claim as a movement. If an individual skeptic is taking such a hardline stance then I take issue with them as well.
Briefly stated, “skeptics” are in favor of vaccines, mammograms, pharmaceuticals and chemotherapy.
Because the tests show that when used properly the benefits outweigh the risks.
They are opponents of nutritional supplements, herbal medicine, chiropractic care, massage therapy, energy medicine, homeopathy, prayer and therapeutic touch.
Again, because ALL of these fail to pass even simple tests of effectiveness.
Interesting, so far no Logical Fallacies, and only one lie, though, could the lie be counted as a straw man?.
they themselves admit they have no consciousness and that there is no such thing as a soul, a spirit or a higher power. There is no life after death. In fact, there’s not much life in life when you’re a skeptic.
While many skeptics do believe there is no soul, spirit, higher power, or life after death none of these are actually required to be a skeptic. And that last bit is quite uncalled for, we skeptics are full of life, enjoyment, and awe and wonder. I refer to these as ‘life’ as I doubt he is referring to life in the sense of ‘being alive’. I don’t think even Adams thinks skeptics are zombies or some other form of undead.
• Skeptics believe that ALL vaccines are safe and effective (even if they’ve never been tested), that ALL people should be vaccinated, even against their will, and that there is NO LIMIT to the number of vaccines a person can be safely given. So injecting all children with, for example, 900 vaccines all at the same time is believed to be perfectly safe and “good for your health.”
WOW, gross oversimplification/generalization, compounded with an absolute lie. First off, while it is true that each vaccine cannot always be thoroughly tested these are not brand new vaccines, but sub-divisions of the same vaccine. The base vaccine has been thoroughly tested and sub0divisions are tested when time permits, but the mechanics of those sub-divisions are extremely well known. Its not like they are guessing the new version will still be safe, they know beyond all reasonable doubt that it will be safe.
NO LIMIT? This is such a strawman. There are good reasons vaccine shots are spaced out in the scheduled. One of them is to ensure that none of them have negative interactions with each other. Another, I would think, is so that if you are one of the few who has an allergic reaction to a vaccine you are not given an unmanageable amount of the agitant.
• Skeptics believe that fluoride chemicals derived from the scrubbers of coal-fired power plants are really good for human health. They’re so good, in fact, that they should be dumped into the water supply so that everyone is forced to drink those chemicals, regardless of their current level of exposure to fluoride from other sources.
I have to hand it to him on this one. He is almost correct. I would only add that it comes down to the amount. A little is good for you, a lot is problematic. The levels in the water are so small that it would be your ‘current level of exposure’ that is at fault if you are having fluoride problems. It is not even large enough to be a probable cause of any ‘tipping point’ for becoming harmful.
• Skeptics believe that many six-month-old infants need antidepressant drugs. In fact, they believe that people of all ages can be safely given an unlimited number of drugs all at the same time: Antidepressants, cholesterol drugs, blood pressure drugs, diabetes drugs, anti-anxiety drugs, sleeping drugs and more — simultaneously!
Again, where does this idea of no limits come from?
• Skeptics believe that the human body has no ability to defend itself against invading microorganism and that the only things that can save people from viral infections are vaccines.
It is the human bodies ability to defend itself that is being utilized by vaccines. We vaccinate to prep those defenses for assault by specific known viri so that we don’t have to be infected before we start building the strong defense.
• Skeptics believe that pregnancy is a disease and childbirth is a medical crisis. (They are opponents of natural childbirth.)
???? WHAT? Ok, I’ve calmed down and looked at where this idea might have come from. We advocate hospital birth. Childbirth can be quite dangerous, having trained medical personnel and equipment on hand will allow for speedy intervention should anything go wrong. If you have been found to be in good health and the pregnancy has been going smoothly it is quite likely you will have a safe and smooth delivery, but there can still be unforeseen complications.
• Skeptics do not believe in hypnosis. This is especially hilarious since they are all prime examples of people who are easily hypnotized by mainstream influences.
Correction, we debate the mechanisms and extent of hypnosis. Some skeptics believe it is simply a form of social play-acting. Regardless, its use as a legal tool has been soundly discredited, and its use as a psychiatric tool is highly suspect.
• Skeptics believe that there is no such thing as human consciousness. They do not believe in the mind; only in the physical brain. In fact, skeptics believe that they themselves are mindless automatons who have no free will, no soul and no consciousness whatsoever.
Again, not all skeptics. And ‘mindless automatons’ is also a loaded phrase that we would generally not agree with. Free Will and consciousness are tricky phrases as they can mean so many things. Many skeptics do reject the dualistic concept of a mind separate from the brain, that ‘choice’ is, to a degree, an illusion (though there are those who would argue my use of that word).
• Skeptics believe that DEAD foods have exactly the same nutritional properties as LIVING foods (hilarious!).
Hilarious indeed that such concepts as Dead foods and Living foods have so permeated popular thought. They have the same nutritional properties because they are the SAME things. There is no ‘living essence’ in any food, or anything, let alone this essence granting nutritional benefits.
• Skeptics believe that pesticides on the crops are safe, genetically modified foods are safe, and that any chemical food additive approved by the FDA is also safe. There is no advantage to buying organic food, they claim.
Hmm, almost right again. Pesticides are safe when used properly, GM foods are safe, and have been for the last several thousand years we’ve been making them (I love modern bananas), the FDA is fairly good at regulating these except when nature-food activists get congress to shackle them. ‘Organic food’, indeed, has no advantage. Most are identical to other crops, most of the rest are worse.
• Skeptics believe that water has no role in human health other than basic hydration. Water is inert, they say, and the water your toilet is identical to water from a natural spring (assuming the chemical composition is the same, anyway).
Hit that one on the head actually. Flawless. Well, almost. If I wanted to be pedantic I could go into your use of the terms ‘basic hydration’ and ‘inert’. But I’ll let that slide.
• Skeptics believe that all the phytochemicals and nutrients found in ALL plants are inert, having absolutely no benefit whatsoever for human health. (The ignorance of this intellectual position is breathtaking…)
Ok, this time he’s gone way off. I’m not sure how he’s trying to use the word inert here, but it sounds like he’s conflating it to mean two very different things in the same sentence. Plants are the foundational building block in the solar energy conversion into caloric energy. Plants are a VITAL part of human diet. But plants do not transfer any kind of ‘life essence’ as I mentioned before.
• Skeptics believe that the moon has no influence over life on Earth. Farming in sync with moon cycles is just superstition, they say. (So why are the cycles of life for insects, animals and humans tied to the moon, then?)
Typical pattern seeking behavior leading to superstition. Some things do have an indirect effect caused by the moon. Tides are caused largely by the moons gravity. A couple of insects behave differently (by small degrees) depending on how much moonlight (or light of similar intensity and composition) they receive. Humans have NO cyclical link to the moon itself that we did not create ourselves, and neither do the crops.
• Skeptics believe that the SUN has no role in human health other than to cause skin cancer. They completely deny any healing abilities of light.
Healing abilities of light? Yeah we deny that. But the sun does a lot more that cause skin cancer. Humans need about 15 minutes of sunlight each day to properly generate and process various vitamins. It also has an impact on our mental health.
• Skeptics believe that Mother Nature is incapable of synthesizing medicines. Only drug companies can synthesize medicines, they claim. (So why do they copy molecules from nature, then?)
I could argue his use of synthesize, but leaving that aside, this is untrue to a dangerous degree. Drug companies create many medicines by identifying the active ingredients in various plants and other sources, isolating, purifying, and quantifying them. With these controls we can preform tests to determine the drugs effectiveness without noise from other plant components. We can also determine what levels of the drug are safe and ensure equal distribution in each dose. When herbalists give their herbs they are providing actual drugs without a license (and training), in a diluted, polluted form, and in unknown quantities.
• Skeptics do not believe in intuition. They believe that mothers cannot “feel” the emotions of their infants at a distance. They write off all such “psychic” events as mere coincidence.
Right on, no caveats.
• Skeptics believe that all healing happens from the outside, from doctors and technical interventions. They do not believe that patients have any ability to heal themselves. Thus, they do not ascribe any responsibility for health to patients. Rather, they believe that doctors and technicians are responsible for your health. Anyone who dismisses doctors and takes charge of their own health is therefore acting “irresponsibly,” they claim.
Acting irresponsibly, yes, but NOT for these reasons. MY GOODNESS! All outside healing is to make up for what the body either can’t do on its own, or what doing on its own would take too long or be too painful. The common cold is a good example; there are medicines which can get rid of it faster, but their risks are higher than the benefit of a shortened cold (sub example, the Zinc in Zicam caused several cases of Anosmia (loosing the ability to smell) for only a one or two day reduction in the length of the cold), so instead we let the body fight it. And NO, massive doses of vitamin C does not help.
• Skeptics believe that cell phone radiation poses absolutely no danger to human health. A person can be exposed to unlimited cell phone radiation without any damage whatsoever.
Cellphones simply lack the output strength to pose any reasonable danger.
• Skeptics believe that aspartame and artificial chemical sweeteners can be consumed in unlimited quantities with no ill effects.
Nothing can be consumed in ‘unlimited quantities’ with or without ill effects. It is just a strawman to throw these to such extremes, and not even a good strawman.
• Skeptics believe that human beings were born deficient in synthetic chemicals and that the role of pharmaceutical companies is to “restore” those deficiencies in humans by convincing them to swallow patented pills.
TOTAL HOGWASH! First off, there is no such thing as a synthetic chemical to be deficient in. Its all just chemicals, plants, people, animals, my computer, they are all collections of chemicals. Secondly, we do not view pharmaceutical companies as the saints and saviors of humanity just because we don’t hate them like he does. Their purpose is to make money, same as Mike Adams is. Most of the time the things they are making are fine, great, and correct, when used correctly. They still make mistakes, and there is greed and corruption.
• Skeptics believe that you can take unlimited pharmaceuticals, be injected with an unlimited number of vaccines, expose yourself to unlimited medical imaging radiation, consume an unlimited quantity of chemicals in processed foods and expose yourself to an unlimited quantity of environmental chemical toxins with absolutely no health effects whatsoever!
Mike sure does like that word unlimited. Luckily, we don’t make those claims.
All the beliefs listed above were compiled from “skeptics” websites. (I’m not going to list those websites here because they don’t deserve the search engine rankings, but you can find them yourself through Google, if you wish.)
Actually, you can’t. He hasn’t given us nearly enough information to find them, assuming they even exist. This is a concept we ‘skeptics’ call siting your sources. If you don’t do it your entire argument can easily fall apart.
Skeptics aren’t consistently skeptical
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the corruption and dishonesty in the pharmaceutical industry. They believe whatever the drug companies say, without asking a single intelligent question.
FALSE I have already stated that corruption and dishonesty can exist in the pharmaceutical industry. Their goal is to make money. The product they sell to that end is typically well researched and helpful. To do otherwise can destroy such a company.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about medical journals. They believe whatever they read in those journals, even when much of it turns out to be complete science fraud.
FALSE The entire system of the science journal is to weed out fraud and mistake by opening their findings to the scientific community at large for repeat experiment and dissection of claims. These arguments are how science comes to consensus.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the profit motive of the pharmaceutical industry. They believe that drug companies are motivated by goodwill, not by profits.
FALSE See two above
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the motivations and loyalties of the FDA. They will swallow, inject or use any product that’s FDA approved, without a single reasonable thought about the actual safety of those products.
FALSE The FDA has a good track record. But even then watch dog groups still preform independent studies. There might also be some levels or corruption, some small potentially shady dealings have been seen, but nothing to the levels others like Adams have stated in the past. We are vigilant in watching them as well.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the safety of synthetic chemicals used in the food supply. They just swallow whatever poisons the food companies dump into the foods.
FALSE (Again with synthetic chemicals?) We are skeptical and keep watch of the levels of various chemicals within the food and water supply. “The poison is in the dose.”
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the enormous dangers of ionizing radiation from mammograms and CT scans. They have somehow convinced themselves that “early detection saves live” when, in reality, “early radiation causes cancer.”
FALSE FALSE and FALSE The studies have been done, and they are negative. Furthermore, the recommendations have been changed for how often and when women without other risk factors should have mammograms. These changes have nothing to do with the unfounded claims of radiation danger, but the chances of false positives.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the mass-drugging agenda of the psychiatric industry which wants to diagnose everyone with some sort of “mental” disorder. The skeptics just go right along with it without asking a single commonsense question about whether the human brain really needs to be “treated” with a barrage of mind-altering chemicals.
Mass-drugging agenda? There is no such agenda. As for asking questions about what we put in our bodies, yeah, we do. These are fundamental questions we ask.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about mercury fillings. What harm could mercury possibly do anyway? If the ADA says they’re safe, they must be!
Multiple studies show them to be safe. Additionally looking at the composition of the filling and what happens in the mouth there is no mechanism by which they would not be safe. Why do we know this? Because we already asked the questions.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the demolition-style collapse of the World Trade Center 7 building on September 11, 2001 — a building that was never hit by airplanes. This beautifully-orchestrated collapse of a hardened structure could only have been accomplished with precision explosives. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc…) Astonishingly, “skeptics” have little understanding of the laws of physics. Concrete-and-steel buildings don’t magically collapse in a perfect vertical demolition just because of a fire on one floor…
OMG has he gone off the deep end? It only looks beautifully orchestrated if you look at the collapse from a specific angle. These conspiracy theorists fail to realize that we also have footage from other angles showing the haphazard nature of the collapse. Lacking knowledge of physics, honesty? WOW, I had managed to maintain a smidgen of respect for Mike Adams until this.
• Skeptics aren’t skeptical about the safety of non-stick cookware, or the dangers of cleaning chemicals in the home, or the contamination of indoor air with chemical fumes from carpets, paints and particle board furniture. To the skeptics, the more chemicals, the better!
After the point he made above this one, Im starting to believe he actually thinks we think this. This is yet another in a LONG list of strawmen.
Nature is bad, chemicals are good
Summing up the position of the “skeptics” is quite simple: Nature is bad, chemicals are good!
This is getting repetative. FALSE@
If we only had more chemicals injected into more babies, the world would be a better place, they say. If we could only ban all plants, herbs, vitamins and supplements, we’d all be so much healthier because then we’d take more pharmaceuticals!
Seriously. This is what they believe. They openly admit this is their position.
And all you people drinking green smoothies, and growing your own food, and getting natural sunlight, and taking care of your own health, and drinking herbal tea… well you’re all just fools, say the skeptics. You’re all just too stupid to understand “real” science. Because if you understood real science, you’d give up all those useless herbs and superfoods and healing vegetables and you’d be taking twenty different prescription medications instead.
Then you’d be really smart, see. Because all those chemicals make you healthy and smart. A few extra vaccine injections will make you even smarter. Then you can join the skeptics because you’re smart enough at that point to understand that chemicals are the answer to all of life’s problems: Depression, anxiety, digestion, sexual performance, sleep, even test-taking abilities… there’s a chemical “solution” to every problem you might experience.
And here I thought he couldn’t get any more wrong with his strawmen, let alone stating in such strong terms that this is what we believe. Vaccines making you smarter? Banning plants, herbs, vitamins, and supplements? Some people actually do need supplements. However, chemicals are the answer, as EVERYTHING is made of chemicals. Seriously, does Mike even know what a chemical is?
What skeptics really are
I hope it’s fairly obvious to you by now that skeptics are the most misinformed people on the planet.
Actual skeptics are characterized by staying informed and using reason and logic to determine when a source of information is credible.
They are the easiest people to fool. They’re the easiest to hypnotize, too, because they lack independent thinking skills. Rather than thinking for themselves, they have joined a “club of skeptics” where they can be told what to think and then label themselves “intelligent” for following others in the group.
We are skeptical even of other skeptics. Furthermore, easy to hypnotize? Honestly? Most skeptics I know wish we could experience what people claim they experience in hypnosis, but we can’t.
These are the people who line up to be injected with useless H1N1 vaccines. (The joke is on them, of course. Those vaccines were a complete fraud…) These are the people who stand in line at the pharmacy to buy a dozen different prescriptions (costing sometimes thousands of dollars) that their doctors told them to take. These are the people who eat processed, dead junk food laced with chemicals that make them sick — and then they wonder why they’re sick. These are the people who sit at home watching television and think to themselves how smart they are because they follow the medical advice they learned in drug company advertisements.
??? First off, the H1N1 vaccine was not useless. Secondly, has Mike ever even known any skeptics? This is not what a skeptics life looks like. I almost never get drugs unless I have a serious problem. All food is dead. Food is not laced with chemicals, food IS chemicals, so are YOU. And we tend to hate those advertisements.
These are the real “skeptics.” They are so incredibly isolated from reality that they don’t even believe in their body’s own ability to heal itself.
Some skeptics get too isolated from other people and deal too much in theory than in practice. But how does that come to the conclusion that we don’t heal?
Skeptics don’t believe in a higher power of any kind: No God, no spirit, no angels, no guides, no creative force in the universe… nada. They think the universe is a cold, empty, lonely, stupid place full of soulless, mindless, zombie biological bodies who have no free will and no consciousness.
Again, not a requirement, but most of us don’t believe in the supernatural. That does not mean is it cold, empty, lonely, or stupid.
Gee, no wonder these skeptics are so misguided. They have the most pessimistic view possible. No wonder they seek to destroy themselves with chemicals — they don’t even think they’re alive to begin with! Skeptics are bent on self destruction. And they believe that when you die, the lights just go out and you cease to exist. Nothing happens after that. You’re just a mindless biological robot whose life has no meaning, no purpose, no higher self.
This is exactly what the skeptics believe. They’ll even tell you so themselves!
Most skeptics love life, the world is a place of wonders yet to be discovered. We do not seek destruction, we want to make the most out of our life, for this life is all we have. We do not need a ‘meaning’ or purpose imposed on us, we make our own. As for ‘mindless biological robot’ that is a terrible extrapolation, but one I can understand coming from someone who doesn’t understand what we mean by there being no mind/body dualism.
Never argue with drones
Realizing this, it makes it so much easier to debate with skeptics on any topic. Whatever they say, you just answer, “WHO is saying that? Are YOU, a conscious, free-thinking person with a mind and soul saying that, or are those words simply being automatically and robotically uttered from the mouth of a bag of bones and skin that has no mind and no soul?”
If they answer you honestly, they will have to admit that they believe they are nothing more than a robotic bag of bones and skin that is mindlessly uttering whatever nonsense happens to escape their mechanical lips. At that point, you’ve already won the debate because YOU have a soul, and THEY don’t. You’re arguing with a mindless robot.
Ha, ha, ha. Oh, my goodness. That was funny. Ok, he clearly has NO CLUE what he’s even talking about here. Not only is that not at all how it works, but you don’t have a soul either. Oh, I needed that laugh after all this drivel I’ve been reading.
Seriously. Think about this deeply. If you believe what the skeptics want you to believe (because they are always right, of course), then you must accept the fact that THEY have no consciousness. They are not really “alive.” They are just robotic biological machines. They are drones, in other words. And drones are not equal to a being of energy with a consciousness and a soul, inhabiting a human body with purpose and awareness.
Never argue with drones. You only waste your time and annoy the drone.
Skeptics… zombies… drones… different words for the same thing. Soulless, mindless, lacking consciousness and free will, having no awareness of the value of life… these are the skeptics arguing for vaccines, mammograms and chemotherapy today. They are agents of death who can only find solace in an industry of death — the industry of modern medicine.
Drones? No. The fully biological perspective on the brain does not call for us being drones. The brain accounts for the entirety of the complexities of our emotions and our expanding awareness, growth of knowledge, and experience. When presented with any given point in our life all of this stored in the brain generates the illusion of what we chose in that moment. Were time to rewind and you to do it over with no additional knowledge you could not choose differently.
To support his point about the drones he had an image of a Borg from Star Trek, under which was a repeat of the line about drones being no match for energy beings. I would love to meet one of the energy beings and do some test some day. Oh, he means the believers souls? Souls that have no method of interaction with the physical world, no testability, and in effect, no reality.
The other points in this section I have covered before.
Well, now that I’ve read the whole thing I see that most of the points here are strawmen mixed with poisoning the well, false dichotomies, and I think I saw a mix of a strawman with the no true Scotsman (a No True Strawman?).
Overall, this was a literally laughable article with far to much influence in its target audience. For that reason, it moves from a target of ridicule to a target of concern as its contents then become dangerous.





